No Game No Life (light novel)
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Jun 4, 2014 3:22 PM
#151
ollythirteen said: Um, there's just the little problem of anime being a form of art and the fact that the whole point of art is to emulate (copy) (real) life... I take it that you are not a fan of impressionist art, surrealistic art, abstract art, fantasies, science fiction, superhero comics, or comedy (which relies on the overthrowing of reality). |
Jun 4, 2014 3:28 PM
#152
well that was a satisfying ending to the episode. I like the short cut that was used to get the elf on their side. you have having a copy of each others memories leaves no room for guessing each others motives and alliances. they can't hate each other anymore and are more willing to help each other out. looking forward to next week. oh and the four of them just starting to ball their eyes out was a cute touch. |
Jun 4, 2014 3:28 PM
#153
yaHzee said: ollythirteen said: * Yahzee, Wow you're so right! Silly me! Of course anime isn't real life! Um, there's just the little problem of anime being a form of art and the fact that the whole point of art is to emulate (copy) (real) life... There's also the small problem that anime emulates real life so well that some people, REAL PEOPLE, do things like date, wank to and even celebrate the birthdays of fictional characters. So yeah, I'm not sure your argument is a very strong one. Of course it isn't real life. It borrows heavily from it, though, hence my hypothetical scenario of dull OP always winning game players being uninteresting BOTH in anime and real life. I wouldn't say that the WHOLE point of art is to emulate real life. Isn't art a form of expression from it's creator? Something to show an idea or perhaps produce emotion? Surely you've seen some forms of art that hardly emulate real life by your grand "definition". And you're definitely quite alone on your opinion regarding winning people in real life are boring. Are you kidding me? Name me one type of winning game/winning sport team that isn't popular. Floyd Mayweather hasn't lost a boxing match, yet somehow A LOT of people keep watching him. The Miami Heat could very well be doing a 3-peat, and there are so many more examples. So, "silly me" for me bringing up an OBVIOUS fact, that you still fail to see. Well whether art is close to real life or not strongly depends on the age/type of art you look at. In the naturalism you had the motto Art= Nature - x and the x was to be as small as possible, the same is true for the realism. On the other hand if you look at Surrealism that was obviously the exact opposite :D Another example would be the expressionism ;-) So it is indeed wrong to say that the whole point of art is to copy real life. |
Jun 4, 2014 3:33 PM
#154
Watching this episode made me remember the siblings' biggest weakness: they can't be apart from each other. With such an obvious weakness like this, I wonder why no one who has ever challenged the two ever thought of exploiting this weakness? |
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Jun 4, 2014 3:41 PM
#155
guyklc said: Watching this episode made me remember the siblings' biggest weakness: they can't be apart from each other. With such an obvious weakness like this, I wonder why no one who has ever challenged the two ever thought of exploiting this weakness? Well yes I also guess that this will be used by an opponent sooner or later but the opponents they played against till now either didn't have the chance to decide the rules or didn't know about this weakness. Against Kurumi both times she challenged him so she had to accept both of them playing if she wanted or not; Jibril didn't care for it as she thought she would win no matter what and the EF had no chance to change that as Sora had them in a corner ;-) But ye I think this will be used at some point of the story. |
Jun 4, 2014 3:45 PM
#156
Kaioshin_Sama said: -snip- I guess my "football fan" comparison is too dumb for great wise Kaioshin sama to understand that he simply ignore me eh? I guess I will give you another situation similar to you and hope you can understand this one: A coffee "connoisseur" went to StarB*cks and ordered the most popular drinks(lets say the most popular drinks is frappucino). When he got it, he was disappointed that it wasnt to his liking. He then complained and state his "opinions" to customers around him who bought and enjoyed frappucino, saying that the coffee is basically"blended shake", too sweet, too cold and other "flaws", and didnt deserve to be the most popular drinks. Furthermore, he then came to StarB*cks almost daily to voice his complaints and "opinions" to those people who like frappucino. When those people ask him to stop, or present their own opinions, he said that he deserve to have his own opinion and then condemn and insult those who like frappucino, saying that they lack taste and finesse. And he kept doing this daily. Can you understand this comparison, Kaioshin? Honestly, every time I read your post, I got the feeling that, they are full of self-righteousness, that you are entitled to be treated better, and that other people who disagree with you are wrong. You said somenone like takuan "forced" you to accept their opinion. The way I see it, it is the other way around. YOU are the one who forced your opinion to others So yea, you are the wrong one here |
Jun 4, 2014 3:50 PM
#157
ollythirteen said: the fact that the whole point of art is to emulate (copy) (real) life... gee, i didn't know people had death notes, could summon swords from the sky and breath underwater in real life. the whole point of art is to convey one's (or a group of people's) imagination, nothing more. sometimes the art represents real life in one way or another, but these are just a very small subset of what can be considered "art". |
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Jun 4, 2014 3:52 PM
#158
Yet another great episode. Dat ending tho... XD . Also, could someone explain what they were saying in the episode preview (not the episode preview itself)? And looks like the "if me say bad its bad" people emigrated from the locked thread, lol. |
Jun 4, 2014 4:03 PM
#159
Amazing episode, the ED is back to normal :'D |
Jun 4, 2014 4:04 PM
#160
oneroaddict said: Yet another great episode. Dat ending tho... XD . Also, could someone explain what they were saying in the episode preview (not the episode preview itself)? And looks like the "if me say bad its bad" people emigrated from the locked thread, lol. you mean this? "It's way faster than salamander" (Jibril?) "Shut up" (Sora) "It's a sad thing, growing up" random conversation (not sure if that's the right word) is random. |
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Jun 4, 2014 4:05 PM
#161
That was something! Damn it Sora... So crazy yet so brilliant. This episode doesn't top the one against Jibril but it's close. There are some amazing thoughts put into this, i'm impressed with this anime. |
Jun 4, 2014 4:05 PM
#162
oneroaddict said: Yet another great episode. Dat ending tho... XD . Also, could someone explain what they were saying in the episode preview (not the episode preview itself)? Be more explicit... I don't remember what they said... if you say what they said, I'll explain with a spoiler tag |
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Jun 4, 2014 4:05 PM
#163
Anyone who noticed that Shiro is already checkmate before he make her move? Weird..... |
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Jun 4, 2014 4:07 PM
#164
guyklc said: Watching this episode made me remember the siblings' biggest weakness: they can't be apart from each other. With such an obvious weakness like this, I wonder why no one who has ever challenged the two ever thought of exploiting this weakness? the thing is that only steph(since ep 1), jibril (since ep 9) and maybe chlammy(since she got sora's memories) know they cant be apart from each other so far the "enemy" dont know about their weakness |
Jun 4, 2014 4:07 PM
#165
Sora was crazy to make that bet. It was good to see Sora and Shiro reunite again. Kurami was on their side now. |
Jun 4, 2014 4:10 PM
#166
My guess from the last episode was way off. That was an interesting episode, a bit over the top though. The tears :3 |
Jun 4, 2014 4:10 PM
#167
getting an Elf on their side was a great move. Warbeasts will be a peace of cake now. |
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Jun 4, 2014 4:15 PM
#168
DarkMoonWolf said: Aurioch said: DarkMoonWolf said: Don't forget to read the rest of volume 2 first... you need to know how and why the new companions will join Imanity. Well, if the translation of Baka-Tsuki is complete, I already did it (it ends with ep8, right?) ^^ Volume 1 as well. I simply couldn't resist X) You are absolutely right!! Sorry I mistakenly said volume 2 when I should have said volume 3. Mea culpa!! Anyway, please add that to your manga/novel list... It's easier to find out what you read before. Done. I completely forgot that Manga side of MAL tracks LNs as well... too bad I'm reading crazy fast so I'll finish it in two days. Augh, now 1 week of painful waiting... |
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Jun 4, 2014 4:16 PM
#169
I'm so glad Sora and Shiro were reunited (even if it all happened in one episode, lol) Seeing Shiro cry is so sad. But it was hilarious when Sora, Shiro, Kurami, and the elf all crying together. So I assume the real game begins next? Can't wait! |
Jun 4, 2014 4:23 PM
#170
Hmmm, I wonder if it hurts to cease existing? Great episode. I had thought it was the work of the Phantasma (I think thats their name) but a fucking crazy plan by Sora himself also works! |
Jun 4, 2014 4:24 PM
#171
DarkMoonWolf said: oneroaddict said: Yet another great episode. Dat ending tho... XD . Also, could someone explain what they were saying in the episode preview (not the episode preview itself)? Be more explicit... I don't remember what they said... if you say what they said, I'll explain with a spoiler tag Erm, basically everything in that episode preview: It's way faster than Salamander!" "SHUT UP!!" "It's a sad thing, growing up." Pretty sure it has nothing to do with plot...I think. But I don't want to miss what seems to be a reference. |
Jun 4, 2014 4:28 PM
#172
Well i did not freaking expect this.As Kurami said, Sora is pretty insane, but that's what i think makes him one of better MC's out there. Scene when they were all crying was great, but yeah, in general it was another damn good episode.Im going to rise my rating for this show once again, because i can. |
Jun 4, 2014 4:34 PM
#173
oneroaddict said: DarkMoonWolf said: oneroaddict said: Yet another great episode. Dat ending tho... XD . Also, could someone explain what they were saying in the episode preview (not the episode preview itself)? Be more explicit... I don't remember what they said... if you say what they said, I'll explain with a spoiler tag Erm, basically everything in that episode preview: It's way faster than Salamander!" "SHUT UP!!" "It's a sad thing, growing up." Pretty sure it has nothing to do with plot...I think. But I don't want to miss what seems to be a reference. a simple google search and found http://lang-8.com/206086/journals/686402 could be a reference to Bahamut Lagoon (a 1996 rpg for superfamicon), in which the heroine says "Salamander(Dragon's name) is ... very fast!" ...or maybe it's a meme of some sort |
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Jun 4, 2014 4:35 PM
#174
oneroaddict said: DarkMoonWolf said: oneroaddict said: Yet another great episode. Dat ending tho... XD . Also, could someone explain what they were saying in the episode preview (not the episode preview itself)? Be more explicit... I don't remember what they said... if you say what they said, I'll explain with a spoiler tag Erm, basically everything in that episode preview: It's way faster than Salamander!" "SHUT UP!!" "It's a sad thing, growing up." Pretty sure it has nothing to do with plot...I think. But I don't want to miss what seems to be a reference. All episode previews had either japanese or western game references; this one was from a japanese one and well I don't want to post it but whatever :D From Cyprene from animesuki: In case anyone is interested in what they were referencing during the preview, this is the note I left the show's editor explaining it: Well, this is probably... incomprehensible to an English speaking audience, so I will explain for the benefit of editors and other people who might care. In an obscure SNES RPG called Bahamut Lagoon that has no english localization, or official one anyway, a hero and king of a certain country takes his queen for a ride on his dragon, Salamander. "It's so fast!" she yells happily. Years later, when he's away on a journey, she has an affair with a general from a neighboring country, who also takes her for a ride on his dragon. (I mean literal dragons here, btw, not as a metaphori- you know what, never mind.) While she's riding on his (literal) dragon, she yells, "It's way faster than Salamander!" 'cause she's a bitch? I guess? Anyway this quote, for reasons known only to the japanese, has stuck around as a metaphor for your wife or girlfriend choosing to ride another man's (metaphorical) dragon. EDIT: Argh got ninjaed ;-) |
Jun 4, 2014 4:36 PM
#175
oneroaddict said: Erm, basically everything in that episode preview: It's way faster than Salamander!" "SHUT UP!!" "It's a sad thing, growing up." Pretty sure it has nothing to do with plot...I think. But I don't want to miss what seems to be a reference. you can ignore it... it's convencional blablabla... just ignore it |
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Jun 4, 2014 4:48 PM
#176
This was such a cute episode I can't T__T widdle bby shiro child I wanna smother you in my bosom such an adorable flower i CANT HANDLE THE LOLI THAT IS SHIRO IM DEAD. I am gradually seeing Sora in a better light, he is kinda cute. Maybe I'll end up loving him in the end. It'd be a first, to have a husbando from a ecchi genre. I guess Shiro and Sora aren't actually blood related? This elevates some of the awkward incest parts then haha! I'm happy there wasn't much fanservice, just a few pantsu shots but that's it. Overall, eerie but great episode. I might pick of the LN after the series is done. Hopefully there are some translations out there ! |
Jun 4, 2014 4:58 PM
#177
DarkMoonWolf said: J87 said: DarkMoonWolf said: Too tired to write... gonna copy paste instead: Shiro placed the Reversi piece engraved with [Three] in her hands. She stared at the empty space——no, staring at the invisible yet existant gameboard—— This was unfortunately a fight for 32 Reversi pieces that contains one's concept. The remaining pieces for both side were small in amount——meaning it was very important. Because they were pieces that once used would cause them to lose, they kept it. However, this rule was set—— was set by the challenged, in that case her brother. This meant that the game's advancement, even his disappearance was very meaningful. Which means——Shiro closed her eyes and thought. ——Why would her brother leave her alone? She was puzzled. However, it was definite course of action if the answer was known. The first of several very simple reasons. He would deliberately give some memories to the opponent, temporarily placing him on the side of the losing—— "....That sort of thing....Shiro...Can't do this...." Shiro made this conclusion with a sad smile after thinking for a moment. Her brother's actions, if performed by Shiro......She would definitely be unable to remain sane. Just because her brother disappeared from her side, she suspected her brother's existence. ——It was okay if she was forgotten. ——Forgetting about her brother——Shiro believed that her spirit wouldn't be able to remain normal. Shiro stared at the invisible, untouchable gameboard. The gameboard was really invisible, but—— Her brother hated sunlight, so she could discern that he wouldn't sit by the window. Her brother, whether he was sleeping or sitting, would always give Shiro the corner of the wall. Because Shiro would feel lonely if there was a wide space, her brother would always block the wide spaces for her. Although she couldn't see the gameboard, Everything was exposed to her. Her brother's habit, her brother's actions, everything related to her brother, her brother's sitting position, and even the space left for Shiro could be seen. (......Here.....Nii is....Here...) Shiro was convinced of where her brother was sitting, even if it was empty. Shiro's eye started feeling hot, but she forced herself back and continued thinking. (....After this....the second....at the same time.....the biggest....reason.) Shiro gripped the Reversi piece written with [Three], on the white side. Whether her brother is [White or black], this question was certain. Because he would always leave the last piece for [Shiro]——it was definitely white.[1] The invisible, and unknown game. She didn't have memories from the start, so she didn't know what was happening. However, her brother would deliberately lose and attain the step to allow Shiro[2] to win..... And after the opponent found out that they fell under Sora's plan and got induced to place a wrong move.... Then, reversing the position, her brother would choose the most optimal move. All of this speculation——needed three moves to win. Only this....You can do it! Shiro waved her hand downwards with confidence———— * Keng*, a sound that couldn't be identified rang in ears of the three people. Following that... "PAIN——!" "Ouch....Wh,what is going on!" Shiro, as well as Steph and Jibril held their heads, having a sudden splitting headache. Like echoes, the brain let out a murmur. The original gameboard which couldn't be seen appeared, and with a patter patter sound, the black board gradually dyed white. Then——the original memories a day and a half ago———flowed back in——— References 1 - Shiro means white in Japanese 2 - Ambiguous meaning, could mean white piece or Shiro I'll also add the rest of the chapter, since it will probably answer many questions most people seem to have: [19th. Daytime] Shiro and Sora were playing games in the throne hall. "Ahh, you've finally came, why keep me waiting?" Her brother said, gazing at the two girls in front of him. Wearing a black veil and black-haired, Kurami. And an elven girl who had conspicuously long ears and didn't bother to hide it. "....A tone as if knowing we were coming——of course....." Sora smiled and replied to Kurami's words: "Yes, I know your purpose for coming here, and anytime is possible." "Then hurry up, I must make you disappear and hand over the Imanity's chess piece." "Shiro, listen carefully." "....Un?" "I believe you." [19th. Evening].... "————Just like that Jibril. Can you do it?" Her master described an insanely terrifying game, but Jibril answered: "——Sorry, but I can't do it, such a massive game transformation——" "I didn't ask you to do it alone, you are to do it with the elven girl Kurami brought with her, okay?" Sora brought the topic to the elven girl who had not introduced herself. "...Asking me to cooperate with The Flügel? Please allow me to rightfully decline~?" "What a coincidence, I'll politely decline the invitation too~?" Sparks flew between their gazes, but Sora had a disinterested look. "Really? Then I don't accept the game, please go back okay?" Sora coldly rejected her. Kurami then said to the elven girl: "...You said you wanted to help me right?" "Of course, but to want me to work with that devil...Guuuu....Fine, I promise." ".....Nii." Hearing her brother's specified rules, Shiro nervously looked up at her brother. "Shiro, we are indispensable." [19th. Nighttime]..... Holding unto Jibril's Word connector's [Core], the elven girl complained: "This kind of elemental usage is as if you wanted to bomb the Elemental Gallery. Is your brain even normal." "I'm sorry, but the current trend is draw something out of the Elemental Gallery. It appears you long-eared people have mistaken for a bomb, next time I'll write a [Lower energy] note to her." "You all .....Who can you guys live in peace with?" "Because when I think of a certain Flügel in the war, shooting something that caused thousands of lives....Usually having a superiority complex, but to fire out [Heaven's strike], how naive." "Recognize yourself, if you had not deployed flying restriction magic, we wouldn't have cared about you, so this is your own demise. I merely swelled a package upon seeing that magic, and even if I've accidentally killed every one of you, what is wrong with it?" "Enough, both of you shut it and go back to work! Its almost a day!!" [20th. Daytime]....... "....Okay, it really exceeded a day." Sora stared at Jibril with cold eyes. While Kurami used the same kind of eyes to stare at her partner. "So, so sorryyyyyy, it's because of this long-eared girl that caused the loop to almost go out of control several of times." "Ev, everytime when she vetoed the loss of control, I had to recode everything!!" Sighing, Sora propped his hand on his cheek and said: "Nevermind, uh——then let me re-explain the rules." "...Nii." "Shiro, Nii is happy that you are worried, but rest assured. You should understand right?" "Shiro, we are bound by a [Promise]." "Shiro, we'll always win before the game starts." "——we'll get the last piece of the puzzle needed to swallow the Eastern Union." "...Un." Shiro nodded as Sora caressed her head and said: "——okay, should we begin?" [20th. Nighttime]..... "...........!" Shiro firmly held onto the shoulder of Sora's. Her left hand that was clenched firmly, pierced the skin and caused it to bleed. Looking at the scene ahead where her brother's memories, hands, legs and five senses were taken away, Shiro could only watch. Her brother believed Shiro, and Shiro in return trusted him. She could only wait. Although Steph was hesitant of stopping the game, she couldn't bear looking at that remorseful look of Shiro's. Using her hands to cover her face, she started crying. Jibril was speechless as she saw the determined face of her Masters. She widened her eyes, watching her every move. "——okay, it almost ended." Kurami said while holding her piece. Kurami's state wasn't exactly unharmed either. Having several segments of memory that didn't exist to flow into her brain was horrible. She was also conscious of the fact that her memories were taken away. However, the gameboard was mostly black——Kurami had an overwhelming advantage. "....Your memories are quite interesting, but I still don't understand your intentions." Even though she had obviously snatched away Sora's memories, she still didn't know about his real intentions. Sora's memories——flashed in her mind, causing Kurami to grimace in pain. "You are left with three pieces and I still don't know your purpose. This is surprising, your purpose in actuality constitutes your existence......But no matter what——I'll finish this." With a *Pa!*, Kurami placed a piece. "This should end it." Saying these words, Sora's figure disappeared from her eyes. For the three people that were watching from the side, they had bleak expressions, as if they weren't aware of it. Oblivious to Kurami and the gameboard, they staggered out of the room. This happened because they were also participants, as their memories disappeared. Then, with Shiro alone, she went on the bed and quietly fell asleep. ".....Since no one is to replace, and Sora had disappeared, [Unable to continue]——this is my win." In the end, she still couldn't guess out Sora's real intentions. Although the memories he gave out made her depressed, but so what—— "Kurami......Something isn't quite right." The gameboard should have made a victory declaration. "What is going on? Didn't you say that nothing was done to the game?" "I, I'm not wrong! This was modified by me!" "Then what is going on——unless this does not fulfill the [Unable to continue] !?" Suddenly, Kurami saw the three pieces left by Sora. Written on it was one, two and three. The most important pieces that constitutes oneself. "——wait, if his existence disappeared, then what do those three represent?" Unless——they were more important than [His own existence]. In order to have a better chance of winning? How could there be such a thing——however, in that case, it explained why she hasn't gotten the memory regarding Sora's intentions. "Kurami, what do we do?" "Still can do what?" If they wanted to forcefully end the game, The Flügel's strength was required. "My memory is also being in a state of elimination——we can only wait!" Kurami said so, feeling angry that the game was still ongoing. "...What, just what is that man doing——!" She easily defeated the man and made him disappear. But in his memories that Kurami had taken away, it felt as if she saw Sora giving a victory smile in the void———which made her feet shiver uncontrollably. ———....... Indeed, the [Hoax] Sora designed. It was what Kurami had suspected, that from the start Sora had the advantage. However——no one knew what those were. Even the one who made the game, using elven magic——couldn't comprehend it. Because this scam, was a cheat that was established in a situation where cheating is impossible. ——This game reflects one's subconsciousness and decided the importance of the pieces. In general, no one knew which concept was their most important. ——Exactly. Part 6 ".....Aside from Nii and Shiro...." Shiro smiled, watching the gameboard reappear. Which meant, this was——the truth behind the [Hoax] designed by her brother. "I remember, even though it was the rules of the game, but I actually forgot about Master." This was unavoidable, having agreed to participate in the game. Jibril was frustrated at her own incompetence. For trying to eliminate her master's existence and also suspecting. "Bu, but why would Sora disappear? That was intentional right!?" Steph shouted out, having retrieved her lost memories. However, even so, Shiro didn't prompt about Sora's memories and intentions. ——No, maybe that kind of memory, didn't exist from the start. Shiro believed, that her brother didn't tell his intentions to himself. Because if that memory was taken away, the overall plan would fail. However, there was no problem——because now she [Understood] ——Reversi, it is also a Zero-sum game of limited decisions. It is easier to establish a sure win method than chess. If this was to be won with normal means, Sora would've just left it to Shiro's substitute. The reason he didn't do so, but still chose a Reversi showdown——was probably to allow Shiro to facilitate. .....In the void, there was some kind of presence that laid down a black piece. It was undecisive, hesitant..... Yes——this rule was as Sora planned, unable to skip a turn. Shiro's substitute——which meant white's turn. This was a move that would completely block Kurami, the move that Sora decided before losing his sight. An important piece was to be placed prematurely——hesitating was out of the question. .....Feeling admiration for her brother who cast away his body, Shiro picked up the piece with [Two]. Shiro completely understood. Not caring about the [Concept] stored in this piece with [Two] carved on it, or her brother's intentions. ——Even so, she said to the enemy with sympathy: "...This plan....Nobody could...guess it....Nii....is really strong." Shiro made the move while laughing. Placing the piece down, half of the game disk instantly dyed white. Kurami and the elven girl——and the gradually looming shadow of her brother, Jibril and Steph widened their eyes. Shiro desperately held back the tears that were starting to overflow. The memories to her brother's plans to this game, disappeared from Shiro's phone, Imanity and Jibril. From this point, inferring what the three pieces represent was easy, which is—— [Three]——the method to win. [Two]——absolute trust in Shiro. And [One] is—— "...Everything about Shiro..." These were the concepts that held more importance than Sora's own existence. Why was she sure of it was very simple. Because if one stood upside down——Shiro could conclude she felt that herself. It would mean that you aren't yourself anymore, like Shiro who lost her brother. The factors to losing her brother——the possibility losing was more important than himself——not self-evident. Understanding this fact, Sora knew he would disappear from the start, and entrusted Shiro's substitute to reverse the situation——this kind of scam, even if you could see it, can you deal with it? The black piece was placed uneasily on the gameboard that was gradually dying white. "...Okay, Nii...." A long-awaited return. "...Come back——!" Sora's figure began to materialize, as the piece with [One] got laid down on the board. ——left with a mere four piece on the gameboard for black, a sound resounded with [Winner: Sora]. At the same time when Shiro rushed over to the winner. Sora's first sentence was—— "Very good, Shiro, you've beaten me, I'm conscious of that——" Unhesitantly flying into the arms of Sora, her words were slightly faster than his. With tears flowing down, Shiro buried herself in her brother's arms and said: "...Sorry.....Sorry....I should've——done it earlier....!" Jibril and Steph who couldn't keep up with the situation stared dumbfoundedly. However, a voice came from an unexpected place. "Kurami! Kurami! Can you hear me!?" Shifting their sights, they saw.... The elven girl was desperately trying to call out to Kurami, while Kurami—— Steph covered her mouth and gasped. Kurami was like an empty shell——no, it was more like a corpse, weakly lying down on the chair. ....Steph didn't understand how Sora won the game. However, once you lose in this game that Sora designed, the results would be.... If one wrong move was made....Sora's fate would've been.....Steph shuddered after thinking about it. What did she lose?——or aside from flesh, everything else was lost? The person known as Kurami was already——nonexistent. (Wh, what kind of mentality does he have, to start by [Being behind]!?) ——This game is incomprehensible, Steph looked at Sora with fearful eyes. If she didn't personally witness the game, she wouldn't have imagined that the results would be this horrifying. Sora who was still hugging the crying Shiro, expressionlessly spoke. "——Okay, [We] have won, now this is the first request." Hearing his words, the elven girl lamented and pleaded to him: "Wait——I'll agree to whatever you do! So please——don't let Kurami be like this!!" But Sora responded to her with eyes that felt like they've lost everything. ".....If I had lost, Shiro would make the same plea, would you agree then?" Yes——this was after they've gone through [Acciente], mutually agreeing to the start of the game. If their positions were reversed, she would be scoffing at Shiro....then—— "I, I know this is a very selfish request! Bu, but the one who set the changing request was you! I, I'll be at your disposal——so please don't let Kurami....don't let Kurami be like this——!" However, Sora exposed a demonic and tyrant smile, and swiped his hand down as if cutting something. "Can't~Do? I'll determine her fate now, soooo——" "No——NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!" "Request 1, regarding the memories plundered and memories stolen——to be returned back." "————Eh...?" This sentence was synchronized by everyone present. "——Cough!——fuuu...Fuuu...." Kurami regained consciousness, as if remembering to breathe. The girl rushed over to Kurami, who was awake and staring at the void. "Kurami! Kurami! Are you alright!? Do you know who you are!?" The girl desperately cried out, but Kurami's eyes were still dazed. After several times of shaking her, Kurami finally woke up. "Yes.....Un, I'm fine....But....." ——Kurami clung to her own shoulders, and stared at Sora, as if having a nightmare. "This man——I can't understand why Sora is fine." ——then, in accordance to the Oaths, the game that Jibril and the elven girl collaborated on exploded. Seeing this, the one who sweated the most was unexpectedly——Sora. "How, how dangerous......Even if it was Jibril's [Core], this request is too much....." ——it couldn't comply with something that was impossible to achieve. Which means that Sora's request, exhausted the gameboard's mana until it couldn't sustain. Looking at Sora, Jibril quietly walked forward. "......Master, this kind of game, please allow me to stop you as the identity of a servant." "I refuse, taking into account of possible future opponents ahead, this kind of danger is good enough." "It's just——" Caressing Shiro who was crying in his chest, Sora said: "In any case, this kind of method I used, is——kinda beyond my imagination." "——BEYOND YOUR IMAGINATION?! THAT'S MY LINE!" Although Sora's memories were fixed in Kurami's body, she was unable to not suspect those memories. An ordinary human that defeated God, as well as making The Flügel yield——but, compared to these things. Exposed to Sora's [Past]. she couldn't bear to say it. The Oaths, allowed her to keep Sora's memories. With those memories flashing past her mind, Kurami shouted with an expression of fear: "How——can you remain sane after all [These experiences]!?" What basis did she had to shout this out? If she even managed to take over Sora's existence, then she should be able to see it. The matter, something——that Shiro didn't know. But to Sora who was conscious of that, he asked everyone present: "Eh? Do I look normal to anyone?" ——No. Everyone answered and shook their heads. Was it beyond the relationship of trust?——wrong. Placing the position of the [Factors that make oneself], that isn't [Trust]. That was already one's reason of existence. Neither a metaphor nor exaggeration, these two were indeed——indispensable. Twisted. Damaged. However, these linked them together, as if they were originally designed to be a pair. Kurami couldn't comprehend, but after coming into contact with Sora's past, she understood that in the situation of an accident. [Destiny]——using this word that was cheap and too ambiguous, there was no other word to describe that kind of memory. "...Okay, the second request." Yes, in accordance to the Oaths, their request——[Left with one]. The elven girl went on full alert, but Kurami who knew Sora's intentions, said "It's fine" and stopped her. "That elf——[Fiel], I want a right to tamper your memory. It's not a forceful one, but under this mutual understanding, Kurami should know who I mean right?" Kurami sighed and nodded. "....Yes, I understand——you want us to be double agents right?" Sora smiled to the dismay of everyone, while Kurami continued: "You knew that as long as you gave those memories to me, using the Oaths wasn't necessary anymore. Drawing me to be a companion, I'm really condescended." But as if having a mischievous face that pranked a child, Kurami leaked out a smile. "——okay, I accept it, it's very interesting isn't it——your [Plan]." Seeing her look, Fiel understood. Sora's intentions——share his memories, peep into Kurami's own, and letting it stay. He didn't need to use the Oaths and only needed to make a request——tampering the memories at the appropriate time.... Taking into account that it would affect the war against Eastern Union——or even the future in fact—— Obtaining all these conclusions, the elfen girl said: "I see.....I'll be frank——we've [Completely lost]." Jibril and Steph froze in place. The only other person who understood that was Shiro, who widened her eyes and said: ".....Nii....Amazing..." "Aren't I~? You can praise your capable Nii?" Sora playfully said. But Shiro who was still firmly buried in Sora's chest. "....Un....Nii is Shiro's proud.....Nii...." "Wuahh, for you to praise me so frankly, your brother will be embarrassed....Oh!" As if a string was cut, Sora fell on the ground with Shiro, apparently hit by fatigue. Steph and Jibril panicked and ran over, but Sora raised his hand and stopped them before saying: "——Shiro....It's almost time?" "...Un, ready....anytime." And Kurami held the elven girl's——Fiel's hand. "I'm sorry, Fiel.....I have to request something from you." "Nuuu, ah, okay, go ahead!" Sora, Shiro, Kurami the three of them took a deep breathe. "Wuahhhhh super~ scary ahhh I'm so sorry I won't do it again ahhh sorry Shiro~~!" "Wuuuu~......Guuuu......Guuuuu." "Wuaaaa~~~~~~~~Really———What exactly is that man~~~~~" The three of them stunned the crowd. Like kids who were repenting on their wrongdoings, they cried until they felt exhausted and slept—— Edit: added references and the rest of the chapter thank you. This show is amazing and this episode is one of the best that i have ever seen and there is a lot of information compressed in 20 min only (i can understand why though). I don't understand why people complain about it! Actually today's 20 minutes covered the complete 1st chapter of volume 2 of the Light novel... I only posted the 5th and 6th part of chapter one.... believe me, a LOT of information was lost during todays episode. I am just done with reading the whole chapter (started after i saw your reply) and i can only say this: amazing! |
Jun 4, 2014 5:18 PM
#178
J87 said: I am just done with reading the whole chapter (started after i saw your reply) and i can only say this: amazing! Told you so.... also sorry for my screw up saying it was volume 2 when in fact was volume 3... my fail there, sorry!! Anyway, glad you like it, try reading the rest or wait for the anime episode, it's up to you.... As I said before, I'm now anxiously waiting for episode of the game against Izuna. It will probably be the best one of this whole season (of NGNL ofc). Edit: typo |
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Jun 4, 2014 5:18 PM
#179
I wish there were more explanation for how Shiro was able to determine where the board was and what moves both Sora and Kurami made throughout the entire match besides "Kuuhaku is awesome and also magic othello pieces with 'way to win' so they will win", but this show manages to make it entertaining enough to the point that I don't mind. The main weakness of this show is that it does not give you much of a chance to understand the rules of the game before it reveals how Sora manipulates the rules to his advantage. It doesn't give the audience a chance to contemplate how they would approach the game themselves and compare their own conclusions with what Sora ends up doing. Rules and effective plays come up from left field without preface a little too much; it bothers me slightly at times. ...But again--! Somehow, I'm still enjoying it. I think I'm...thinking too much when this show actually is best watched without thinking too hard and just letting it take you for its ride. (Although...still...! Really, I don't mind knowing a little bit ahead of time what's going on. ...Goddamnit, I can't make up my mind about this show. It's both really stupid and really enjoyable.) |
Jun 4, 2014 5:23 PM
#180
NorseFTX said: Although...still...! Really, I don't mind knowing a little bit ahead of time what's going on. ...Goddamnit, I can't make up my mind about this show. It's both really stupid and really enjoyable.) Read the first transcript I put here... You'll have the answers you want about this episode... as for the spoilers, well only by reading the LN will you fully understand them |
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Jun 4, 2014 5:24 PM
#181
Wait so if that girl has Sora's memories now wouldn't she know all of Sora's techniques to game? |
Jun 4, 2014 5:27 PM
#182
jjrocks24 said: Wait so if that girl has Sora's memories now wouldn't she know all of Sora's techniques to game? If you had Cristiano Ronaldo memories, would that make you the world best football player?? Guess this answers your question... Memories =/= Art and Skill |
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Jun 4, 2014 5:28 PM
#183
jjrocks24 said: Wait so if that girl has Sora's memories now wouldn't she know all of Sora's techniques to game? it doesn't really matter at this point, since she's an ally now. edit: also what DarkMoonWolf said above. |
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Jun 4, 2014 5:34 PM
#184
NorseFTX said: The main weakness of this show is that it does not give you much of a chance to understand the rules of the game before it reveals how Sora manipulates the rules to his advantage. It doesn't give the audience a chance to contemplate how they would approach the game themselves and compare their own conclusions with what Sora ends up doing. Rules and effective plays come up from left field without preface a little too much; it bothers me slightly at times. I blame time restraint for that, thought it can only be applied to only this particular game, as the adaptation had to leave out critical information in order to manage to finish the chapter in one episode (as next chapter has different mood). Rest of the games Sora partake in were pretty straight forward. Hence my hope into blu-ray versions of the episodes being extended, like they were for one critical episode of Fate/Zero (Episode 10 I think, King's Banquet). jjrocks24 said: Wait so if that girl has Sora's memories now wouldn't she know all of Sora's techniques to game? Having knowledge about something and having ability to utilize it properly isn't the same ;) For example, Bronze StarCraft 2 player might know all the build orders professional players are using, but if he cannot execute it as pro player, that knowledge's usability is pretty small. |
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Jun 4, 2014 5:35 PM
#185
NorseFTX said: Goddamnit, I can't make up my mind about this show. It's both really stupid and really enjoyable. Why can't something stupid be enjoyable? |
Jun 4, 2014 5:37 PM
#187
That was great! This show just gets better every week! Erasing their existence? I wouldn't have expected that honestly. Can't wait for next week! |
Jun 4, 2014 5:57 PM
#188
Thanks to all the people who posted links to the original translations of this chapter's content; it helps make the events in this episode seem less like they come from nowhere. Takuan_Soho said: NorseFTX said: Goddamnit, I can't make up my mind about this show. It's both really stupid and really enjoyable. Why can't something stupid be enjoyable? =P Oh, something totally could be both stupid and enjoyable. In this case, I mean that I both hate NGNL because it's not showing everything I need to know to understand what's going on, and I love it at the same time because what's going on is so crazy and out of the box that it's just fun to watch. I'm still kind of torn about how I feel about this show--I really do enjoy the show, but I think this show requires more time to explain all the stuff that's going on. There's a delicate balance that needs to be considered to avoid bogging the entire show down with explanations, of course. Right now it's straddling the thin line of "just barely enough explanation" and "it looks like ass-pulling because there's too little info provided". Given how few episodes this is, I suppose I can understand, although I hope that (if there's a second season) they will slow down a little bit to give the show the time it deserves. Also, I don't know why but right now Kurami is my favorite character. It had been that way since the first episode she was introduced. Yeah, it's probably strange, but eff it, she is awesome. |
NorseFTXJun 4, 2014 6:03 PM
Jun 4, 2014 6:01 PM
#189
very good this episode, the focus the series has changed a bit and brought Shiro as the protagonist also episode focused on the psychological and past of the character, very interesting trusts between the characters, not only as Shiro and Sora like Kurome and Feel seems that the harem Sora will increase |
Jun 4, 2014 6:03 PM
#190
An excellent thought provoking episode. Kept me interested throughout despite no action or anything. I'd like them to go more in-depth with Sora and Shiro's past even more so than they did this episode. But the mystery of it is a really nice touch to the characters, it keeps one invested in them. Great episode all around. AOTS. |
Jun 4, 2014 6:30 PM
#191
jjrocks24 said: Wait so if that girl has Sora's memories now wouldn't she know all of Sora's techniques to game? I'm gonna assume she took the "memory" portion of the brain |
Jun 4, 2014 6:31 PM
#192
NorseFTX said: Also, I don't know why but right now Kurami is my favorite character. It had been that way since the first episode she was introduced. Yeah, it's probably strange, but eff it, she is awesome. Why strange, she has a great character design, good Yaoi vibe, and wants what is best for humanity and did the best she could with the very poor hand she had been dealt. The negative comments by the "critics" of her back during the chess game completely missed on understanding anything about her character. I will admit that this show does only give a minimalist explanation, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. I personally love to try to figure things out, and I have to say this show at least does give you the stuff to work with. Edit: Just was watching the English subtitles, saw something that I missed. It made it sound like Sora and Shiro are, at the least, half siblings. Probably bad sub, but it said that Shiro was reunited with the woman who was supposed to be her mother. If I think about it, I don't think that this has been said that they were adopted siblings, oh it was implied when Sora was talking about first meeting Shiro eight years ago, but if Shiro was sent to the orphanage at a very young age because of her intelligence, then there is a chance that Sora had just never met her. |
Takuan_SohoJun 4, 2014 6:39 PM
Jun 4, 2014 6:32 PM
#193
Great episode and dat end xD Only 3 more episodes T_T |
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Jun 4, 2014 7:01 PM
#194
Fine Sora you were pretty clever with this idea risky&insane but clever i feel as though if i tried to just nitpick on everything i would just anger myself and find this less enjoyable so i'll give it a break however i won't ignore fact this would of been all over if Shrio didn't somehow figure all Sora's plays to the point in which she didn't even need to see the board to win but whatever those 2 are 1 and blank never loses right?. |
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Jun 4, 2014 7:04 PM
#195
Beside the stealing existence part (I thought it was altering memories), my guess was spot on about the on-going game with Kurami yay! Insignificant achievement of the day haha :D |
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Jun 4, 2014 7:04 PM
#196
Good episode, very clever. |
Jun 4, 2014 7:05 PM
#197
Takuan_Soho said: Edit: Just was watching the English subtitles, saw something that I missed. It made it sound like Sora and Shiro are, at the least, half siblings. Probably bad sub, but it said that Shiro was reunited with the woman who was supposed to be her mother. If I think about it, I don't think that this has been said that they were adopted siblings, oh it was implied when Sora was talking about first meeting Shiro eight years ago, but if Shiro was sent to the orphanage at a very young age because of her intelligence, then there is a chance that Sora had just never met her. To make it clearer (dunno if they'll explain better next episode, but this was already explained in the LN at this point of the story) Shiro started speaking when she was 1 year old. Due to the highly intelligence demonstrated, she was sent by her mother to a specialized facility in order to be studied and analysed. The "doctors" played many "games" with her in that specialized facility for genius, however she was so smart that no one had any use for her, which led them to lose interest in her. When she was 3 years old her mother returned to her at the facility to pick her up, with the man she that she decided to live with. Sora was the "son" of that man (not very clear in the LN if he was blood related to him, maybe he was adopted, dunno... basically Sora was that man baggage), so that was the first time Sora and Shiro met each other. By having the pretense facade easily discovered by Shiro, Sora decided to play games with Shiro, however he always lost. Over time he decided he would stay by her side, and if Shiro was bond to walk the path of the genius, then he would be the fool, each walking in opposite directions until they could both met at the same point. This was also the point when he started to win some games against Shiro and figuring out the specializations both had: Genius/mathematical Vs Instinct/strategist. Because of who they were (a total genius and a hikikomori) their parents ended up leaving them, so Sora decided to take care of Shiro. They continued to play games, and when Shiro was humiliated in school due to her personality (fear of other people) Sora made their promise. They will always be together, because when they are together they have nothing to fear. Nothing and no one can defeat them. [ ] cannot be defeated. This is why even thou alone they may lose, if they are battling together then they can never lose. [ ] always wins. (this was specially seen during the game with Jibril on this episode. Shiro couldn't lose on purpose, cause.... [ ] cannot lose!!) Long story short, they are not blood related, just united through parents marriage |
DarkMoonWolfJun 4, 2014 7:35 PM
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Jun 4, 2014 7:06 PM
#198
I was expecting something else from those four at the last seconds of the episode. Was dissapointed. Dosen't matter though, this anime is awesome. |
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Jun 4, 2014 7:23 PM
#199
DarkMoonWolf said: Shiro started speaking when she was 1 year old. Due to the highly intelligence demonstrated, she was sent by her mother to a specialized facility in order to be study and analysed. The "doctors" played many "games" with her in that specialized facility for genius, however she was so smart that no one had any use for her, which led them to lose interest in her. When she was 3 years old her mother returned to her at the facility to pick her up, with the man she that she decided to live with. Sora was the "son" (not very clear in the LN, maybe he was adopted, dunno...) of that man, so that was the first time Sora and Shiro met each other. By having the pretense easily discovered by Shiro, Sora decided to play games with Shiro, however he always lost. Over time he decided he would stay by her side, and if Shiro was bond to walk the path of the genius, then he would be the fool, each walking in opposite directions until they could both met at the same point. This was also the point when he started to win some games against Shiro and figuring out the specializations both had: Genius/mathematical Vs Instinct/strategist. Because of who they were (a total genius and a hikikomori) their parents ended up leaving them, so Sora decided to take care of Shiro. They continued to play games, and when Shiro was humiliated in school due to her personality (fear of other people) Sora made their promise. They will always be together, because when they are together they have nothing to fear. Nothing and no one can defeat them. Long story short, they are not blood related, just united through parents marriage[/color] Thank you, having not read the novels, was curious if it was explicitly spelled out since it would resolve one lingering problem with how I know this series is going to turn out. Though I have heard the novels haven't covered it yet, I think it is pretty clear that Steph and Sora will end up together, but with Shiro perfectly happy to see Sora with someone who truly loves him, and who respects their relationship as well. If it was ultimately discovered that Sora and Shiro were actual siblings as opposed to giri siblings this would be the natural outcome (with Shiro getting together with Tet). I think the writer has this in mind in 1) always having siblings in his titles, and 2) even with your explanation we really don't know what Sora's relationship with those two adults were. Based on what you wrote, maybe the connection isn't through the mother, but actually the father. Well time will tell! Oh, on the Kurumi front, love her look when she got what Sora's ultimate aim was. She knew she could be true to both humans and to her best friend. Nice writing there. |
Takuan_SohoJun 4, 2014 7:27 PM
Jun 4, 2014 7:44 PM
#200
Takuan_Soho said: Oh, on the Kurumi front, love her look when she got what Sora's ultimate aim was. She knew she could be true to both humans and to her best friend. Nice writing there. Actually Kurumi and Fii (the Elf) also have a interesting backstory, although there was only a very short explanation. But this will probably be addressed next episode, when they formally have a meeting for their presentation and strategize the game against Izuma. If you really want to know this "soft-Spoiler" then be my guest: Kurumi and her family are slaves under the house of Fii. Fii is from a noble house of the realm with high reputation and some internal political power. She is actually close to 52 years old, and sees Kurumi as a daughter. They can only be together as friends outside the realm of the elves, since once they are among elves, Kurumi must forcibly return to her slave status. Yes the Elves protect the humans that live inside their borders, but as a result they must become their slaves... I won't reveal more, since it would affect the story... but this big-small information is sufficient to give us a idea of how the Elves realm works. |
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